<entry id="2058402" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2027020</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>では無いか</keb>
<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>ではないか</reb>
<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&exp;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<gloss>isn't it?</gloss>
</sense>
<sense>
<pos>&exp;</pos>
<misc>&uk;</misc>
<s_inf>after volitional form of verb</s_inf>
<gloss>let's ...</gloss>
<gloss>why don't we ...</gloss>
<gloss>how about we ...</gloss>
<gloss>shouldn't we ...</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2004-11-17 00:00:00" stat="A">
<upd_detl>Entry created</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-05-15 09:52:46" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Or have ちゃうか in its own entry.
See discussion on (deleted) 2160620.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,0 +12,4 @@
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;ちゃうか&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_pri&gt;spec1&lt;/re_pri&gt;
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
@@ -16,0 +20,1 @@
+&lt;s_inf&gt;ちゃうか is ksb:&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-05-15 15:24:32" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-03-31 18:50:06" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -18,3 +17,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2028970"&gt;か&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2028970"&gt;か&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2028970"&gt;か&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -22 +19,3 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2028970"&gt;か・2&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2028970"&gt;か・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2028970"&gt;か・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2028970"&gt;か・1&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-06-27 07:57:42" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>These terms are overwhelmingly "uk", but the kanji versions get 160k between them.
Perhaps they should be split?</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Ngrams</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -3,0 +4,6 @@
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;では無いか&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;じゃ無いか&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -5 +11,2 @@
-&lt;reb&gt;じゃないか&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;ではないか&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;では無いか&lt;/re_restr&gt;
@@ -9 +16,2 @@
-&lt;reb&gt;ではないか&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;じゃないか&lt;/reb&gt;
+&lt;re_restr&gt;じゃ無いか&lt;/re_restr&gt;
@@ -13,0 +22 @@
+&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
@@ -19,0 +29 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;
@@ -24,0 +35 @@
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;uk;&lt;/misc&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-07-02 23:08:51" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>i think they have to be.  for instance, i'm pretty sure that ではないか can't have the reading ちゃうか.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -7,3 +6,0 @@
-&lt;k_ele&gt;
-&lt;keb&gt;じゃ無いか&lt;/keb&gt;
-&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -12,11 +8,0 @@
-&lt;re_restr&gt;では無いか&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;re_pri&gt;spec1&lt;/re_pri&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;じゃないか&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_restr&gt;じゃ無いか&lt;/re_restr&gt;
-&lt;re_pri&gt;spec1&lt;/re_pri&gt;
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;ちゃうか&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_nokanji/&gt;
@@ -30 +15,0 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;ちゃうか is ksb:&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-07-12 09:32:57" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-18 01:26:28" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_detl>neither daijs nor daijr actually use the kanji in their "で
はない" entries

odd that we have an entry for ではないか but not for ではない. 
not sure this entry is necessary.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-18 01:27:29" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_detl>correction, only saw it in daijr, not daijs. daijr does 
also have this as an entry</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-18 02:55:39" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>i don't see a problem with this entry.  there isn't an entry for ではない, but one could be added.  (it's in daijr)</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijr 3rd</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-18 03:30:06" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_detl>sorry, what I meant to raise was whether the kanji should 
be included at all.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-18 06:01:15" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>130431 ngrams, so it can't hurt to have it.  seems mostly harmless since the uk is indicated.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2014-09-19 02:40:13" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I certainly think the kanji should be included. Beginners won't necessarily know to look up "ではないか" and text-glossing systems benefit too.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-11-08 16:19:35" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -5,0 +6 @@
+&lt;ke_pri&gt;spec1&lt;/ke_pri&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-11-09 02:45:36" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-02-05 14:28:54" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Nicolas Maia</upd_name>
<upd_refs>http://jlptdictionary.com/viewentry.php?intEntryID=13</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -22,0 +23,3 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;why don't we ...&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;we should ...&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;don't you think we should ...&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-02-05 20:15:46" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-02-05 23:22:24" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Aligning sense 1 with じゃないか.
I don't think those x-refs are necessary.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijr</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -14,2 +13,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2028970"&gt;か・1&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="2089020"&gt;だ・1&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -17 +15 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;questioning (something)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;isn't it?&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -22 +20,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;let's do (something)&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;after volitional form of verb&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;let's ...&lt;/gloss&gt;
@@ -24,2 +23,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;we should ...&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;don't you think we should ...&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;how about we ...&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;shouldn't we ....&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-02-05 23:44:57" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2020-02-07 00:48:33" stat="A">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -24 +24 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;shouldn't we ....&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;shouldn't we ...&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>