<entry id="2044931" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2270030</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>乃</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>之</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>の</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&prt;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="1469800">の・1</xref>
<misc>&arch;</misc>
<s_inf>indicates possessive; 之 used esp. on tombs</s_inf>
<gloss>'s</gloss>
<gloss>of</gloss>
<gloss>belonging to</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2008-05-19 00:00:00" stat="A">
<upd_detl>Entry created</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-12-17 23:40:49" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jll</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jean-Luc Leger</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Any point in this entry ?</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -10,1 +10,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1469800"&gt;乃&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-12-18 05:05:30" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>i've never understood the situation with の/乃/之.  i know Paul wanted this entry for の to make text glossing easier, but none of my dictionaries bothers with entries for 乃 or 之.

i'd be happy to have only an entry for の, with "also written as 乃, 之" in a note.  (see for example our entry for パン).  having three different entries for の seems unnecessary.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-12-18 07:44:14" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Paul's preference for having 乃/の as the main "の" entry was to do with linking from the Tatoeba/Tanaka sentences. Without a kanji headword, WWWJDIC can bring up any entry with a reading of の. He also suggested the solo entry for の, as several users couldn't find 乃/の and tried to create new "の" entries.
I'd be quite happy to have just "の (also written 乃", but give me time to look into the WWJDIC implications. I may be able to do a workaround.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-12-24 21:50:41" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK, I'm making this the 乃 version, and I'll take the kanji off 1469800.
All OK with wwwjdic and the examples.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -4,0 +4,3 @@
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;乃&lt;/keb&gt;
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
@@ -9,2 +12,3 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1469800"&gt;乃&lt;/xref&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;indicates possessive among other uses (for full details and examples see the main entry (linked))&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1469800"&gt;乃・の・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;misc&gt;&amp;arch;&lt;/misc&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;possessive particle&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-12-24 21:59:05" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I need to approve this wo xrefs. I'll reopen it later.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,1 +12,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1469800"&gt;乃・の・1&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-12-24 22:01:04" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Reopening.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12,0 +12,2 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1469800"&gt;乃・の・1&lt;/xref&gt;
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1469800"&gt;の・1&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-12-24 23:03:32" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-12-24 23:05:07" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>if both kanji versions are still desired as headwords, is there any reason this can't be merged with 之?</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-12-25 08:54:30" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+&lt;/k_ele&gt;
+&lt;k_ele&gt;
+&lt;keb&gt;之&lt;/keb&gt;
@@ -14,0 +17,1 @@
+&lt;s_inf&gt;之 used esp. on tombs, etc.&lt;/s_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-12-25 09:57:44" stat="A">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-07-17 10:39:04" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Better? "possessive article" just isn't right, that's not what の means, it's what の is.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -16 +15,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1469800"&gt;の・1&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -18,2 +17,2 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;之 used esp. on tombs, etc.&lt;/s_inf&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;possessive particle&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;possessive particle; 之 used esp. on tombs&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;'s&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-07-17 10:41:00" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I get there's a lot of history to this discussion but I think it's only confusing to have this separate from the main の entry with an 
[arch]. I think it'd be better to add these to the kanji field of the other の entry and tag them as oK</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2019-07-19 07:25:36" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Need to be broader - "'s" is the wrong register in many situations.
I still want to keep this distinct from the everyday の - these kanji forms are real outliers, and are not in most dictionaries.
We still need to resolve the handling of explanatory "meanings".</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>GG5 sense 1 "〈所有･所属〉 —'s; of; belonging to"</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -17 +17 @@
-&lt;s_inf&gt;possessive particle; 之 used esp. on tombs&lt;/s_inf&gt;
+&lt;s_inf&gt;indicates possessive; 之 used esp. on tombs&lt;/s_inf&gt;
@@ -18,0 +19,2 @@
+&lt;gloss&gt;of&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;belonging to&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>