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<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>2610650</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>一体なぜ</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>いったいなぜ</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&exp;</pos>
<gloss>whyever</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2011-02-04 12:28:29" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Francis</upd_name>
<upd_detl>With masses of Google hits and other similar types of entries in the main dictionary, I am wondering if this should be promoted. I have no doubt that more examples than "whyever" could be included, but not being a natural user of such expressions I will leave any expansion to others. However, we all recognise such expressions when they are used.

If you did decide to promote the above, then the RH, as follows, could be deleted:-

一体何故 【いったいなぜ】 (?) ???; RH</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>See below.</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-02-05 04:20:44" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I can't really decide if this is needed. It's 一体 + 何故/なぜ, which is much the same as 一体 + 何/なに (the latter is more common.) If we have this one, we should have both.
Don't like the "whyever" much.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-02-05 05:27:01" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>'why on earth' would surely be better, but i agree that i'm not sure this is 
needed.  i think the いったい gloss is clear, and there'd also be no reason not to 
add いったいどこ, etc.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-02-05 23:13:19" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Francis</upd_name>
<upd_detl>Rene's gloss has the right tone about it.

As for me, the inclusion of the variable ways of expressing something is always useful. I think only of others now because having seen your comments I am quite satisfied about the meaning for my own purposes.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>See below.</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2011-02-06 09:36:06" stat="R">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I wrote a long comment last night, and must have forgotten to submit it. I've come round to the view that just one of quite a lot of 一体 + XXX constructions; some of which are more common. A bit like putting all the expressions starting with 全然 or 全部.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>