湾処
[ateji,rK]
【
ワンド
(nokanji)；
わんど 】
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[n]
[uk]
- (riverine) lagoon
- fluvial lagoon
History:
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A 2024-11-10 03:40:11 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> (id#2320789) - Comments
Best to drop that Ainu source.
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KOD: わんど【湾処】 〔入り江〕 an inlet; a cove; 〔川のよどみ〕 a backwater.
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@@ -19 +18,0 @@ -<lsource xml:lang="ain"/>
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A* 2024-11-10 02:54:17 parfait8 (id#2320776) - Comments
jawiki: "入り江や川の淀み、淵などを「わんど」と呼ぶ地方があり、アイヌ語起源の倭語であるとする説。アイヌ語解釈では次のような意味になる。◆ワンド＝wa-un-to＝岸・にある・沼。" the impression i got reading this was "和語 influenced by the ainu term" rather than a 音訳 - seems just like a theory anyway (i don't see it in daijr/s)
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Google N-gram Corpus Counts ╭─ーーー─┬────────┬───────╮ │ 湾処 │ 807 │ 0.8% │ add (daijr/s, jawiki) │ ワンド │ 96,611 │ 92.7% │ │ わんど │ 6,802 │ 6.5% │ ╰─ーーー─┴────────┴───────╯ Google N-gram Corpus Counts ╭─ーーーーー─┬────┬───────╮ │ ワンドの水 │ 62 │ 74.7% │ │ わんどの水 │ 21 │ 25.3% │ │ 湾処の水 │ 0 │ 0.0% │ ╰─ーーーーー─┴────┴───────╯ Google N-gram Corpus Counts ╭─ーーーーー─┬────┬───────╮ │ 川のワンド │ 62 │100.0% │ │ 川の湾処 │ 0 │ 0.0% │ │ 川のわんど │ 0 │ 0.0% │ ╰─ーーーーー─┴────┴───────╯
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@@ -3,0 +4,5 @@ +<k_ele> +<keb>湾処</keb> +<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf> +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> @@ -5,0 +11,4 @@ +<re_nokanji/> +</r_ele> +<r_ele> +<reb>わんど</reb> @@ -8,0 +18 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc>
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A* 2024-11-10 02:25:57 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> (id#2320770) - Comments
This doesn't sit well with me considering that we use the tag when the first gloss is the same as the source word. I don't think leaving it out should be open to interpretation (even if it's obvious given the context) I would prefer to not include the lsrc tag at all in cases like these.
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A 2024-11-10 00:44:05 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> (id#2320760) - Comments
We don't have to include the source term, especially if the transliteration isn't clear.
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A* 2024-11-09 23:59:17 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> (id#2320756) - Refs
we need to include the source word, no? jpeiki has "wa-un-to" but I'm not immediately finding this attested in any reliable source.
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