前門の虎、後門の狼；
前門の虎後門の狼
[sK]
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ぜんもんのとら、こうもんのおおかみ 】
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[exp]
[id]
- between the devil and the deep sea
- out of the frying pan into the fire
- [lit] a tiger at the front gate, a wolf at the back gate
Cross references:- ⇐ see: 2417290 後門の虎、前門の狼【こうもんのとら、ぜんもんのおおかみ】 1. between the devil and the deep sea; out of the frying pan into the fire; a tiger at the back gate, a wolf at the front gate
History:
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A 2024-03-26 17:53:18 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...> (id#2296086)
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A* 2024-03-26 03:16:58 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> (id#2296033) - Comments
Setting this up as an example of the approach developed in issue 122.
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@@ -5 +5 @@ -<keb>前門の虎後門の狼</keb> +<keb>前門の虎、後門の狼</keb> @@ -8 +8,2 @@ -<keb>前門の虎、後門の狼</keb> +<keb>前門の虎後門の狼</keb> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -11 +12 @@ -<reb>ぜんもんのとらこうもんのおおかみ</reb> +<reb>ぜんもんのとら、こうもんのおおかみ</reb>
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A 2022-08-24 04:04:51 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> - Comments
Apologies - I didn't look hard enough at Stephen's proposal. I agree we shouldn't be using such fragments as "rK" forms, at least at this stage.
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A* 2022-08-24 00:45:26 Robin Scott <...address hidden...> - Comments
Whether or not we want to use search-only forms in this way, I don't think it's safe to do so as long as they're included with the other forms. Many sites/apps don't support the new tags yet. Some probably never will. For the next generation of JMDict, I'd like to see search-only forms handled separately (i.e. in a different part of the XML). Then we can at least consider ideas like this. And I agree with Marcus regarding the n-grams. The fact that both 前門の虎 and 後門の狼 have nearly identical counts suggests that they're almost always used together. Online search results appear to confirm this.
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@@ -9,16 +8,0 @@ -</k_ele> -<k_ele> -<keb>前門の虎</keb> -<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> -</k_ele> -<k_ele> -<keb>後門の狼</keb> -<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> -</k_ele> -<k_ele> -<keb>前門のとら</keb> -<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> -</k_ele> -<k_ele> -<keb>後門のおおかみ</keb> -<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
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A* 2022-08-23 13:36:14 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> - Comments
I'm not sure we should be using sK for things like this? Feels like we could be opening up a can of worms here. The reason the individual parts get more hits in the ngrams is frequently a problem with the searchability of the ngrams rather than real evidence the individual parts are frequent on their own.
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