jmdict 2029050 Active (id#2303645)
たら [spec1] ったら [spec1] だら [sk]
  1. [prt,conj]
    《also ~だら》
    • if
    • when
    • after
  2. [prt] [col]
    《indicates light scorn, annoyance, surprise, etc. about a topic》
    • when it comes to ...
    • as for ...
    • that ...
  3. [prt] [col]
    《at sentence end》
    • why don't you ...
    • why not ...
    • how about ...
    • what about ...
  4. [prt] [col]
    《at sentence end; adds emphasis; usu. ったら》
    • I tell you!
    • I said ...
    • I really mean ...
  5. [prt] [col]
    《indicates frustration, impatience, etc.; usu. ったら》
    • vocative particle
History:
    • A 2024-06-08 02:21:57 Jim Breen (id#2303645)
    • Comments
      I think it's better just to make it searchable. Th comment can be reduced.
    • Diff
      @@ -9 +9,2 @@
      -<reb>だら</reb>
      +<reb>ったら</reb>
      +<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
      @@ -12,2 +13,2 @@
      -<reb>ったら</reb>
      -<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
      +<reb>だら</reb>
      +<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>
      @@ -18 +19 @@
      -<s_inf>becomes ~だら when attached to 五段 ending in ぐ, む, ぶ or ぬ</s_inf>
      +<s_inf>also ~だら</s_inf>
    • A* 2024-06-07 02:09:11 Non (id#2303551)
    • Comments
      ...Which is not true because it also applies to sense [3].
      My mistake, again. Sorry.
    • A* 2024-06-07 02:01:01 Non (id#2303550)
    • Comments
      I searched some more and it seems that while most kokugos do not recognise this as its own word and just as the inflection of た, I could find two that have it listed as a conjunctive particle (接助) born from the former.
      My mistake, I should have looked at more references.
      
      Unrelated to the above, might we add だら to readings? I have added the note to clarify that だら only applies to sense 1.
    • Diff
      @@ -6,0 +7,3 @@
      +</r_ele>
      +<r_ele>
      +<reb>だら</reb>
      @@ -14,0 +18 @@
      +<s_inf>becomes ~だら when attached to 五段 ending in ぐ, む, ぶ or ぬ</s_inf>
    • A* 2024-06-06 23:56:17 Jim Breen (id#2303539)
    • Comments
      I'm comfortable with leaving it as it was.
    • Refs
      Naoko Chino: "All About Particles" has our sense 1 covered as a particle.
    • Diff
      @@ -12,0 +13 @@
      +<pos>&prt;</pos>
    • A* 2024-06-06 20:52:41 Non (id#2303503)
    • Comments
      [1] Is not a particle, it is the 未然形 of た and [2]-[5] are held to be from と言ったら; I have removed the particle tag on 1. 
      Given that [2]-[5] are technically a separate word, perhaps they should be split for consistency, but it probably causes no harm to leave it like this.
    • Diff
      @@ -14 +13,0 @@
      -<pos>&prt;</pos>
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