体育
[ichi1,news1,nf03]
【
たいいく
[ichi1,news1,nf03]
;
たいく
[ik]
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[n]
- physical education
- PE
- gym (class)
Cross references:- ⇐ see: 1409580 体操【たいそう】 3. physical education (class); PE
History:
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A 2020-10-05 18:57:40 Robin Scott <...address hidden...> - Comments
This way it's unambiguous. I don't think we need "physical training", which is "old-fashioned" according to Collins.
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wiki: Physical education, also known as Phys Ed., PE, gym, or gym class https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/physical-training
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@@ -24,2 +24 @@ -<gloss>physical training</gloss> -<gloss>PT</gloss> +<gloss>gym (class)</gloss>
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A* 2020-10-05 04:19:04 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> - Comments
I agree with Opencooper. (having gloss type=AmE and BritE etc. like I've previously suggested would maybe "non-international" glosses less controversial)
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A* 2020-10-05 02:34:42 Opencooper - Comments
Sorry for belaboring this, but this has important implications for future glossing, so I feel it needs to be. If such argument is better suited for the mailing list, I can take it there. The editorial policy does say to "make the translations as international as possible", using the same example you gave. However, I always interpreted this as referring to the primary gloss. Indeed, our entry for 「大学」 has both "university" and "college" in that order. Going through the above lexico.com link, tons of our entries include both English variants of terms (arbitrary examples: 駐車場, 薬局, ナス). Even for katakana entries with a specific lsrc, we list the variants (e.g. クッキー, ラップ, ズッキーニ). Including English dialectal variants is not an unusual practice, especially among the Japanese–English dictionaries we consult such as Chuujiten, where there'll be annotations such as 《米》 and 《英》. We can't just service an elusive "international English", but should support multiple English renderings. In fact, we add glosses all the time when they are useful for reverse lookups. Finally, "gym" in this usage, while possibly unfamiliar to non-Americans, isn't uncommon. See above references. Unfortunately, there will be many cases where polysemes might cause confusion, but this is not a problem when there are other glosses to clarify and it's not leading.
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* https://www.lexico.com/grammar/british-and-american-terms "gym" as "physical education": * M-W #2: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gym * Collins #2: https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/gym * Cambridge #2: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gym * Macmillan #3: https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/gym
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A 2020-10-01 06:20:21 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> - Comments
Yep, but it doesn't travel that well. I've always tried to keep the translations as universal as possible, e.g. using "university" rather than "college" which is primarily a US term. "gym" in BrE has a lot of different associations, and isn't usually a portmanteau term for physical education.
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A* 2020-10-01 05:39:53 Opencooper - Comments
Strange, seems OED's lexico site doesn't let you link to the US version, but the sense I meant was: 2 Physical education. ‘I'm taking just one more semester of gym’ As in "gym class". I can verify that this is what we called PE in the states, and there weren't any gymnastics involved :D.
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