正面
[rK]
;
真面
[rK]
;
真正面
[rK]
【
まとも
[spec1,ichi2]
】
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[n,adj-na]
[uk]
《usu. adverbially as 〜に》
- the front
Cross references:- ⇔ see: 2854341 【まともに】 1. right (in front); directly; straight (in the face); head-on; full on
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[adj-na,n]
[uk]
- honest
- upright
- decent
- proper
- respectable
- straight
- serious
- sensible
History:
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A 2024-01-15 20:24:15 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> (id#2288827) - Comments
OK
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A* 2024-01-15 16:25:54 Robin Scott <...address hidden...> (id#2288813) - Comments
真正面(まとも) appears quite a bit in literature but presumably it would always have furigana. If we're including it here I think it needs to be visible. If it's only visible on ましょうめん, that'll only cause confusion for users looking up 真正面.
- Refs
https://furigana.info/r/まとも まともにでき 34,620 正面にでき 108 真面にでき 0 真正面にでき 23 --- まともな人 51,119 正面な人 23 真面な人 0 真正面な人 0
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@@ -7 +6,0 @@ -<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri> @@ -12 +10,0 @@ -<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri>
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A* 2024-01-15 04:56:19 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> (id#2288770) - Comments
I think those counts for 真正面な mostly relate to ましょうめん(な). I dug out a sample of sentences containing it and ran them through MeCab/Unidic. They all came up as ましょうめん. Sankoku is a bit of an outlier associating まとも with 真正面; none of my regular JEs or kokugos do it - they all have ましょうめん alone. Of course we have 真正面/ましょうめん as an entry (1364060); I wouldn't have proposed hiding it in this entry otherwise.
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A* 2024-01-15 04:11:21 penname01 (id#2288769) - Comments
i don't think it should be hidden
- Refs
Google N-gram Corpus Counts ╭─ーーーー─┬───────┬───────╮ │ 正面な │ 3,838 │ 57.9% │ │ 真正面な │ 2,036 │ 30.7% │ │ 真面な │ 750 │ 11.3% │ ╰─ーーーー─┴───────┴───────╯ ╭─ーーーーーー─┬────╮ │ 真正面にでき │ 23 │ ╰─ーーーーーー─┴────╯
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@@ -16 +16 @@ -<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
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A 2024-01-15 04:00:41 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> (id#2288768) - Comments
I think most of those counts for 真正面 relate to ましょうめん. I think the form should be hidden. None of the 9 sentences using まとも had a sense setting, so they link to sense 1 by default. In fact, they are all for sense 2, and I've now set that as the sense number.
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@@ -16 +16 @@ -<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
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