jmdict 1378040 Active (id#2288827)
正面 [rK] 真面 [rK] 真正面 [rK]
まとも [spec1,ichi2]
  1. [n,adj-na] [uk]
    《usu. adverbially as 〜に》
    • the front
    Cross references:
    • ⇔ see: 2854341 【まともに】 1. right (in front); directly; straight (in the face); head-on; full on
  2. [adj-na,n] [uk]
    • honest
    • upright
    • decent
    • proper
    • respectable
    • straight
    • serious
    • sensible
History:
    • A 2024-01-15 20:24:15 Jim Breen (id#2288827)
    • Comments
      OK
    • A* 2024-01-15 16:25:54 Robin Scott (id#2288813)
    • Comments
      真正面(まとも) appears quite a bit in literature but presumably it would always have furigana. If we're including it here I think it needs to be visible. If it's only visible on ましょうめん, that'll only cause confusion for users looking up 真正面.
    • Refs
      https://furigana.info/r/まとも
      まともにでき	34,620		
      正面にでき	108		
      真面にでき	0		
      真正面にでき	23	
      ---
      まともな人	51,119		
      正面な人	        23		
      真面な人	        0		
      真正面な人	0
    • Diff
      @@ -7 +6,0 @@
      -<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri>
      @@ -12 +10,0 @@
      -<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri>
    • A* 2024-01-15 04:56:19 Jim Breen (id#2288770)
    • Comments
      I think those counts for 真正面な mostly relate to ましょうめん(な).  I dug out a sample of sentences containing it and ran them through MeCab/Unidic. They all came up as ましょうめん. 
      Sankoku is a bit of an outlier associating まとも with 真正面; none of my regular JEs or kokugos do it - they all have ましょうめん alone.
      Of course we have 真正面/ましょうめん as an entry (1364060); I wouldn't have proposed hiding it in this entry otherwise.
    • A* 2024-01-15 04:11:21 penname01 (id#2288769)
    • Comments
      i don't think it should be hidden
    • Refs
      Google N-gram Corpus Counts
      ╭─ーーーー─┬───────┬───────╮
      │ 正面な  │ 3,838 │ 57.9% │
      │ 真正面な │ 2,036 │ 30.7% │
      │ 真面な  │   750 │ 11.3% │
      ╰─ーーーー─┴───────┴───────╯
      ╭─ーーーーーー─┬────╮
      │ 真正面にでき │ 23 │
      ╰─ーーーーーー─┴────╯
    • Diff
      @@ -16 +16 @@
      -<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
      +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
    • A 2024-01-15 04:00:41 Jim Breen (id#2288768)
    • Comments
      I think most of those counts for 真正面 relate to ましょうめん. I think the form should be hidden.
      None of the 9 sentences using まとも had a sense setting, so they link to sense 1 by default. In fact, they are all for sense 2, and I've now set that as the sense number.
    • Diff
      @@ -16 +16 @@
      -<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
      +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
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