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R 2025-04-09 15:46:06 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Personally I'm not a fan of using [sk] for readings that aren't also used as surface forms. I wouldn't go as far as to say they're pointless; it's totally possible for people to search the database for readings, for example. I agree it's probably a very marginal use-case. But I think they're also mostly harmless.
At any rate, it's not unprecedented (see entries for 中国, 三日月, 占い者, etc). We'd like to have these sorts of policy discussion on github (https://github.com/JMdictProject/JMdictIssues/discussions) or the mailing list (https://groups.google.com/g/edict-jmdict). Feel free to raise the topic in those places. |
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A* 2025-04-09 12:57:12 Sombrero1
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>It's 99% pointless to hide readings that aren't used as surface forms
I totally get that, but e.g. I'm someone that often searches for words in kana, not with their respective kanji. にっぽん is a valid way of reading にほん. So even if it's just that tiny tiny 1%, isn't this also what hidden forms are for? They don't bother anyone. But then again, with that approach it's very difficult to draw a line, it would be very arbitrary.
>This has to my memory been brought up several times but the only instance I can find is Stephen Kraus on 碁会所
I remember that but about [rk], which I try to remember now but still sometimes misconstrue. I can't recall seeing that for [sk] (apart from the example you just gave), but maybe that was before I started contributing
In any case I don't plan to fight tooth and nail for this [sk] form, I just wish to know clear grounds if that really doesn't fall under how it can or should be used. |
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A* 2025-04-09 12:40:46
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This has to my memory been brought up several times but the only instance I can find is Stephen Kraus on 碁会所:
"I'm not sure if it makes sense to use [sk] for readings that aren't also used as surface forms." |
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A* 2025-04-09 12:33:41
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sk and sK are essentially for hiding "surface forms" that people might come across written out. It's 99% pointless to hide readings that aren't used as surface forms. |
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A* 2025-04-09 08:05:06 Sombrero1
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Why |
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A* 2025-04-08 22:19:44
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Hiding readings that aren't used as surface forms is pointless. |
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-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>にっぽんてき</reb>
-<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf> |
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A 2025-04-08 12:03:28 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Hide it. [rk] is for uncommon readings which are in kokugos. |
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+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf> |
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A* 2025-04-08 02:52:40
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I don't think [rk] should be applied so willy-nilly. |
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-<re_inf>&rk;</re_inf> |
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A 2025-04-07 22:02:55 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Could be hidden. |
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A* 2025-04-07 16:32:42 Sombrero1
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Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーー─┬─────┬───────╮
│ にほんてき │ 542 │ 96.3% │
│ にっぽんてき │ 21 │ 3.7% │
╰─ーーーーーー─┴─────┴───────╯
https://de.youglish.com/pronounce/日本的/japanese
After 19 examples being にほんてき the 20th was にっぽんてき
It's not in refs, but it makes sense to have here I guess. I'd suggest maybe putting [rk]
Furigana.info isn't representative here since it has only one example for each version |
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+<re_inf>&rk;</re_inf> |
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A* 2025-04-06 22:32:08
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+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>にっぽんてき</reb> |
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A 2018-11-27 08:15:03 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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-<gloss>typically Japanese</gloss>
+<gloss>(typically) Japanese</gloss> |