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jmdict 1464770 Rejected (id: 2336551)
日本的
にほんてき
1. [adj-na]
▶ (typically) Japanese

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12. R 2025-04-09 15:46:06  Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Personally I'm not a fan of using [sk] for readings that aren't also used as surface forms. I wouldn't go as far as to say they're pointless; it's totally possible for people to search the database for readings, for example. I agree it's probably a very marginal use-case. But I think they're also mostly harmless.

At any rate, it's not unprecedented (see entries for 中国, 三日月, 占い者, etc). We'd like to have these sorts of policy discussion on github (https://github.com/JMdictProject/JMdictIssues/discussions) or the mailing list (https://groups.google.com/g/edict-jmdict). Feel free to raise the topic in those places.
11. A* 2025-04-09 12:57:12  Sombrero1
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>It's 99% pointless to hide readings that aren't used as surface forms

I totally get that, but e.g. I'm someone that often searches for words in kana, not with their respective kanji. にっぽん is a valid way of reading にほん. So even if it's just that tiny tiny 1%, isn't this also what hidden forms are for? They don't bother anyone. But then again, with that approach it's very difficult to draw a line, it would be very arbitrary.

>This has to my memory been brought up several times but the only instance I can find is Stephen Kraus on 碁会所

I remember that but about [rk], which I try to remember now but still sometimes misconstrue. I can't recall seeing that for [sk] (apart from the example you just gave), but maybe that was before I started contributing


In any case I don't plan to fight tooth and nail for this [sk] form, I just wish to know clear grounds if that really doesn't fall under how it can or should be used.
10. A* 2025-04-09 12:40:46 
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This has to my memory been brought up several times but the only instance I can find is Stephen Kraus on 碁会所:
"I'm not sure if it makes sense to use [sk] for readings that aren't also used as surface forms."
9. A* 2025-04-09 12:33:41 
  Comments:
sk and sK are essentially for hiding "surface forms" that people might come across written out. It's 99% pointless to hide readings that aren't used as surface forms.
8. A* 2025-04-09 08:05:06  Sombrero1
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Why
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