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A 2024-11-02 14:47:21 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Dropping [spec1] from ふる里 |
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@@ -20 +19,0 @@
-<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -27 +25,0 @@
-<re_pri>spec1</re_pri> |
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A 2024-11-02 06:25:49 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I'll split it out. |
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A* 2024-11-01 21:43:34 parfait8
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Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーー─┬───────────┬───────╮
│ 故郷 │ 2,158,360 │ 36.3% │
│ ふる里 │ 145,201 │ 2.4% │ add sK
│ 古里 │ 103,750 │ 1.7% │
│ 故里 │ 13,120 │ 0.2% │
│ 旧里 │ 1,290 │ 0.0% │
│ ふるさと │ 3,520,691 │ 59.2% │
╰─ーーーー─┴───────────┴───────╯ |
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i don't see ふるさと for 旧里 in my refs
旧里/きゅうり should be split out but it's only in daijr/s, nikk and koj |
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@@ -8,4 +7,0 @@
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>ふる里</keb>
-<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -22,2 +18,3 @@
-<keb>旧里</keb>
-<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+<keb>ふる里</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -31,4 +27,0 @@
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>きゅうり</reb>
-<re_restr>旧里</re_restr> |
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A 2022-03-15 05:38:04 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Quiet. Closing. |
| 12. |
A* 2022-03-04 00:57:58 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Not sure only. I just checked the ichiman source document and it only has 故郷/こきょう and 古里/ふるさと so I'll drop the ichi1 from 故郷 in this entry. |
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@@ -6 +5,0 @@
-<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri> |
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A* 2022-03-03 23:24:29 Frazer Robinson
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Meikyo has 古里 first and 故郷 last, shinmeikai has 故郷 first and 古里 second.
I’m not sure what would be best here.
Are the freq tags still applicable here? |
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A* 2022-03-03 22:15:52 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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故郷 2158360
ふるさと 3520691
ふる里 145201
古里 103750 |
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Probably the cleanest thing. In fact, GG5 has no kanji in its ふるさと entry.
There are 68 sentences; one with ふるさと and 67 with 故郷. My guess is that many people seeing 故郷 would think "ふるさと". For ふるさと 中辞典 has 【古里･故郷】. Should we have "ふる里,古里,故郷" or leave at is it is now? Certainly Googits for 故郷+ こきょう are far lower than for 故郷+ふるさと. |
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@@ -34,5 +33,0 @@
-<reb>こきょう</reb>
-<re_restr>故郷</re_restr>
-<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
@@ -43,0 +39 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2853884">故郷・こきょう</xref>
@@ -51 +46,0 @@
-<stagr>ふるさと</stagr> |
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A* 2022-03-03 18:26:21 Frazer Robinson
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meikyo, shinmeikai, daijs, wisdom, |
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All of the refs have this split into こきょう and ふるさと
Can we please do the same?
こきょう is marked as a common word in two of the refs and is usually written in kanji.
ふろさと is not marked as common and is usually written in kana. |
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A 2021-11-13 23:25:22 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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@@ -45 +45 @@
-<gloss>home town</gloss>
+<gloss>hometown</gloss> |
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A* 2021-11-12 11:53:42 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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故郷 2158360
ふる里 145201
古里 103750
旧里 1290
故里 13120 |
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@@ -19 +19,2 @@
-<keb>旧里</keb>
+<keb>故里</keb>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -22 +23,2 @@
-<keb>故里</keb>
+<keb>旧里</keb>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> |
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A 2013-12-03 16:32:47 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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@@ -52,1 +52,1 @@
-<gloss>runs</gloss>
+<gloss>ruins</gloss> |
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A 2013-12-03 05:40:11 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK. |
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@@ -51,2 +51,3 @@
-<gloss>old village</gloss>
-<gloss>historic village</gloss>
+<misc>&arch;</misc>
+<gloss>runs</gloss>
+<gloss>historic remains</gloss> |
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A* 2013-12-03 01:55:27 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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ngrams:
ふる里 145201
故郷 2158360
古里 103750
旧里 1290
故里 13120
ふるさと 3520691 |
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I have to question the "old village; historic village" - are
they based on the following senses in daij?
daijs:
荒れ果てた古い土地。特に、都などがあったが今は衰えている土地。
「君により言の繁きを―の明日香(あすか)の川にみそぎしに行
く」〈万・六二六〉
daijr:
(3)古びて荒れた里。かつて都や離宮のあったところをいう。古跡。古都。
「―となりにし奈良の都にも/古今（春下）」
if so, the sense is archaic, and should be something like
"ruins"/"historic remains" rather than "old village" |
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@@ -4,4 +4,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>ふる里</keb>
-<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
-</k_ele>
@@ -13,0 +9,4 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>ふる里</keb>
+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -42,0 +42,1 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -48,0 +49,1 @@
+<stagr>ふるさと</stagr> |
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A* 2013-12-02 06:30:46 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Unidic/ngrams. Daijr (sense split) |
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The JEs don't split this, but Daijrin has 5 senses. |
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@@ -4,0 +4,4 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>ふる里</keb>
+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
+</k_ele>
@@ -23,0 +27,3 @@
+<re_pri>news1</re_pri>
+<re_pri>nf06</re_pri>
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
@@ -28,2 +35,0 @@
-<re_pri>news1</re_pri>
-<re_pri>nf06</re_pri>
@@ -39,2 +44,0 @@
-<gloss>old village</gloss>
-<gloss>historic village</gloss>
@@ -44,0 +47,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>old village</gloss>
+<gloss>historic village</gloss>
+</sense> |
| 2. |
A 2010-10-05 06:48:33 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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A* 2010-10-05 05:05:35 Scott
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だいｊ |
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@@ -16,0 +16,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>故里</keb> |