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A 2024-07-04 00:15:32 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Quiet. I'll index the sentences. |
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A* 2024-06-25 15:55:16 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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信用する 134247
信用しない 115793
信用して 394172
信用できる 262320
信用できない 305779
28 Tanaka sentences.
ある程度彼を信用できる。 I can trust him to a certain extent.
彼女の言うことは信用できない。 I cannot trust what she says. |
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Given how common it is, and how it is often used instead of 信用する, I think it's worth keeping. If approved, I'll index the sentences. |
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-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
@@ -17,3 +17,3 @@
-<gloss>believable</gloss>
-<gloss>credible</gloss>
-<gloss>trustworthy</gloss>
+<gloss>to be trustworthy</gloss>
+<gloss>to be credible</gloss>
+<gloss>to be believable</gloss> |
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A* 2024-06-19 01:16:42 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I agree with Marcus's comments from 2012 and 2018. I don't think this is needed.
It's not prenominal in 5 of the 7 Tanaka sentences and 2 of the 5 example sentences in GG5. |
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A 2018-07-08 12:50:53 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK. I'll strip the verb conjugation code from the 10 entries listed in comment 10 below. |
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A* 2018-06-27 21:06:55 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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reopen |
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A 2018-06-27 21:06:42 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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what a pain. ok, well i'll approve what you're suggesting and then reopen because there are a ton of entries for this in the queue |
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-<pos>&v1;</pos> |
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A* 2018-06-26 12:46:18 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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信用できない 305779
信用できる 262320 |
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When "adj-f" first emerged and got described as "noun or verb acting prenominally" I think I had in mind that the verb would either not be conjugating or was conjugated already, as in 得も言われぬ or ああいった. Then along comes 信用できる/信用できない and mucks things up. I'm very tempted to say that if a verb is usually prenominal, don't have a v1/v5x tag. I think that should work, and 信用できない can fend for itself. Of course 食べる doesn't get an "adj-f".
So, I guess I'm back to Marcus' earlier position, and drop the verb tag for these cases. |
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A* 2018-06-25 20:01:42 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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seems like the adj-f is unneeded. e.g., 食べるもの means 'things to eat', but we don't mark 食べる or any other verb as adj-f. i suggest adj-f not be used anywhere that it's tagged as a verb |
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A* 2018-06-18 05:32:53 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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There are 10: 骨の有る, 超のつく, 不注意による, 風薫る, 風光る, 現在に至る, イケてる, 顔が見える, 信用できる, 信頼のおける.
I don't mind signalling that they conjugate (v1/v5x) and are usually pre-nominal )adj-f). |
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A* 2018-06-18 03:38:46 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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we're getting into questionable pos territory here. this is definitely an [exp] as well. i could be wrong, but i don't think we have many entries that are marked as both a verb and an adj-f. |
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+<pos>&exp;</pos> |
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A* 2018-06-15 11:33:55 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I wouldn't expect 信用できない to be used so prenominally.
I think it should stay. |
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A* 2018-06-15 07:58:23 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Didn't mean to self-approve. |
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A 2018-06-15 07:17:13 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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the numbers for 信用できない were supposed to be 10／90 ie mostly non-prenominal use |
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A* 2018-06-15 00:56:29 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I don't think this is almost always prenominal, looking at twitter hits.
prenominal use / not prenominal use
信用できる 60/40
信用できない 90/10
(percent, looked at maybe 20 or so of each)
I still think this is a better entry than "使用できる" though because the translation is at least good. |
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A 2012-12-14 05:35:47 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I've agonized over this one for several days. It's quite compositional, but since it's so common, and almost always prenominal, I think it's worth having. |
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+<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1359620">信用・しんよう</xref> |
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A* 2012-12-10 02:48:10 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Is this really necessary? It seems like an overly obvious
"a+b" to me. "Can"+"trust", "can"+"believe". Sure, it's
common, but so are loads of other できる forms of [vs] nouns
(maybe it does stand out though). If kept, I still don't
think it should be an adj-f since it's a verb and can be
conjugated as such:
"信用できない" 7m (b)
"信用できたら" 12k (b)
"信用できて" 17k (b)
The usage is also often very "verb-y": first result on
google: "ハローワークの求人テ本当に信用出来るんでしょうか?",
5th result: "教えて！ Watch - 楽天のレビューは信用出来る？" |
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A 2012-12-10 00:21:09 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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"adj-f" is a catch-all here. |
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-<pos>&v-unspec;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
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+<gloss>trustworthy</gloss> |
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A* 2012-12-06 18:56:36 winnie <...address hidden...>
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I've been looking through the part-of-speech table, but I can't figure out what the part of speech should be. It's a verb, but it is used as an adjective (信用できないこと）(信用できる政治家). |