<entry id="2336551" stat="R" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1464770</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>日本的</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>にほんてき</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
<gloss>(typically) Japanese</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2018-11-27 08:15:03" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +12 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;typically Japanese&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;(typically) Japanese&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2025-04-06 22:32:08" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_diff>@@ -8,0 +9,3 @@
+&lt;/r_ele&gt;
+&lt;r_ele&gt;
+&lt;reb&gt;にっぽんてき&lt;/reb&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2025-04-07 16:32:42" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Sombrero1</upd_name>
<upd_refs>Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーー─┬─────┬───────╮
│ にほんてき　 │ 542 │ 96.3% │
│ にっぽんてき │  21 │  3.7% │
╰─ーーーーーー─┴─────┴───────╯

https://de.youglish.com/pronounce/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E7%9A%84/japanese
After 19 examples being　にほんてき the 20th was にっぽんてき

It's not in refs, but it makes sense to have here I guess. I'd suggest maybe putting [rk]

Furigana.info isn't representative here since it has only one example for each version</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;rk;&lt;/re_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2025-04-07 22:02:55" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Could be hidden.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2025-04-08 02:52:40" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>I don't think [rk] should be applied so willy-nilly.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +11,0 @@
-&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;rk;&lt;/re_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2025-04-08 12:03:28" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Hide it. [rk] is for uncommon readings which are in kokugos.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;sk;&lt;/re_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2025-04-08 22:19:44" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>Hiding readings that aren't used as surface forms is pointless.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -9,4 +8,0 @@
-&lt;/r_ele&gt;
-&lt;r_ele&gt;
-&lt;reb&gt;にっぽんてき&lt;/reb&gt;
-&lt;re_inf&gt;&amp;sk;&lt;/re_inf&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2025-04-09 08:05:06" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Sombrero1</upd_name>
<upd_detl>Why</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2025-04-09 12:33:41" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>sk and sK are essentially for hiding "surface forms" that people might come across written out. It's 99% pointless to hide readings that aren't used as surface forms.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2025-04-09 12:40:46" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_detl>This has to my memory been brought up several times but the only instance I can find is Stephen Kraus on 碁会所:
"I'm not sure if it makes sense to use [sk] for readings that aren't also used as surface forms."</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2025-04-09 12:57:12" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Sombrero1</upd_name>
<upd_detl>&gt;It's 99% pointless to hide readings that aren't used as surface forms

I totally get that, but e.g. I'm someone that often searches for words in kana, not with their respective kanji. にっぽん is a valid way of reading にほん. So even if it's just that tiny tiny 1%, isn't this also what hidden forms are for? They don't bother anyone. But then again, with that approach it's very difficult to draw a line, it would be very arbitrary.

&gt;This has to my memory been brought up several times but the only instance I can find is Stephen Kraus on 碁会所

I remember that but about [rk], which I try to remember now but still sometimes misconstrue. I can't recall seeing that for [sk] (apart from the example you just gave), but maybe that was before I started contributing


In any case I don't plan to fight tooth and nail for this [sk] form, I just wish to know clear grounds if that really doesn't fall under how it can or should be used.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2025-04-09 15:46:06" stat="R">
<upd_uid>stephen</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Stephen Kraus</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Personally I'm not a fan of using [sk] for readings that aren't also used as surface forms. I wouldn't go as far as to say they're pointless; it's totally possible for people to search the database for readings, for example. I agree it's probably a very marginal use-case. But I think they're also mostly harmless.

At any rate, it's not unprecedented (see entries for 中国, 三日月, 占い者, etc). We'd like to have these sorts of policy discussion on github (https://github.com/JMdictProject/JMdictIssues/discussions) or the mailing list (https://groups.google.com/g/edict-jmdict). Feel free to raise the topic in those places.</upd_detl>
</audit>
</info>
</entry>