<entry eid="2307438" stat="A" corpus="jmdict" type="jmdict">
<ent_corp type="jmdict">jmdict</ent_corp>
<ent_seq>1600440</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>飲み屋</keb>
<ke_pri>news2</ke_pri>
<ke_pri>nf26</ke_pri>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>呑み屋</keb>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>飲屋</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>飮み屋</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<k_ele>
<keb>飮屋</keb>
<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>のみや</reb>
<re_pri>news2</re_pri>
<re_pri>nf26</re_pri>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<gloss>bar</gloss>
<gloss>saloon</gloss>
<gloss>pub</gloss>
<gloss>tavern</gloss>
<gloss>drinking establishment</gloss>
</sense>
<history>
<audit time="2012-10-10 04:38:40" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>See comments on 1713760.
Some evidence of 呑み屋 being used for this term.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -20,0 +20,4 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>呑み屋</keb>
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
@@ -29,0 +33,2 @@
+<gloss>pub</gloss>
+<gloss>tavern</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-10-10 05:08:04" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>there may be some call for 呑み屋 not being [iK] here and precedent for combining.
=nikkoku combines as:
1) bar; saloon; pub; tavern
2) (呑み屋 only) bookmaker; bookie
3) (呑み屋 only) trader performing (stock market) bucketing; bucket shop
=
that would eliminate the duplicate headword for 呑み屋. (also, i suspect that the latter two senses are often erroneously written as 飲み屋. keeping them together would ease look-up that way)</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-10-11 00:11:12" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK, I'll try that. Seems a good approach.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -22,1 +22,3 @@
-<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>ノミ屋</keb>
@@ -26,0 +28,5 @@
+<re_restr>飲み屋</re_restr>
+<re_restr>飲屋</re_restr>
+<re_restr>飮み屋</re_restr>
+<re_restr>飮屋</re_restr>
+<re_restr>呑み屋</re_restr>
@@ -28,0 +35,4 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ノミや</reb>
+<re_restr>ノミ屋</re_restr>
@@ -36,0 +47,15 @@
+<sense>
+<stagk>呑み屋</stagk>
+<stagk>ノミ屋</stagk>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>bookmaker</gloss>
+<gloss>bookie</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<stagk>呑み屋</stagk>
+<stagk>ノミ屋</stagk>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1713740">ノミ行為・ノミこうい</xref>
+<gloss>trader performing (stock market) bucketing</gloss>
+<gloss>bucket shop</gloss>
+</sense></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-10-11 02:37:48" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>Marcus</upd_name>
<upd_detl>I think that ノミ屋 doesn't apply to the 1st sense - which
unfortunately makes everything a bit messy.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-10-11 03:22:27" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Hmmm. Yes. I'll try a note... Doesn't look too bad.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -42,0 +42,1 @@
+<s_inf>not ノミ屋</s_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-10-11 06:44:35" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>the ノミ屋 here really makes this entry unwieldy and ugly. it would have been a nice straightforward merge otherwise.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-10-11 11:42:06" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>So what do we do? ノミ屋 gets 100k hits. Options:
(a) stay with this (note on sense 1) - uglyish
(b) make it a proper restriction (5 kanji forms for sense 1) - even uglier
(c) go back to two entries, with 呑み屋 in both, with or without an "iK".
Maybe two entries is best, and live with the overlap.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-10-13 03:02:10" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>rene</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Rene Malenfant</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>two entries may be best.</upd_detl>
</audit>
<audit time="2012-10-14 23:25:06" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK. I'll not put "iK" on 呑み屋 - we'll live with the overlap.</upd_detl>
<upd_diff>@@ -23,3 +23,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>ノミ屋</keb>
-</k_ele>
@@ -28,11 +25,0 @@
-<re_restr>飲み屋</re_restr>
-<re_restr>飲屋</re_restr>
-<re_restr>飮み屋</re_restr>
-<re_restr>飮屋</re_restr>
-<re_restr>呑み屋</re_restr>
-<re_pri>news2</re_pri>
-<re_pri>nf26</re_pri>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ノミや</reb>
-<re_restr>ノミ屋</re_restr>
@@ -42,1 +28,0 @@
-<s_inf>not ノミ屋</s_inf>
@@ -48,15 +33,0 @@
-<sense>
-<stagk>呑み屋</stagk>
-<stagk>ノミ屋</stagk>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<gloss>bookmaker</gloss>
-<gloss>bookie</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<stagk>呑み屋</stagk>
-<stagk>ノミ屋</stagk>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<xref type="see" seq="1713740">ノミ行為・ノミこうい</xref>
-<gloss>trader performing (stock market) bucketing</gloss>
-<gloss>bucket shop</gloss>
-</sense></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2016-11-09 06:27:32" stat="A">
<upd_uid>johan</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Johan Råde</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -24,0 +25,2 @@
+<re_pri>news2</re_pri>
+<re_pri>nf26</re_pri></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2018-02-23 07:26:05" stat="A">
<upd_uid>Marcus</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Marcus Richert</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -33,0 +34 @@
+<gloss>drinking establishment</gloss></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-07-29 09:44:17" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_name>GM</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>飲み屋 838,347
呑み屋 43,575
飲屋 9,381
飮み屋 50
飮屋 0</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -9,0 +10,3 @@
+<keb>呑み屋</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -14 +17 @@
-<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -18,4 +21 @@
-<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>呑み屋</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-07-29 11:16:56" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_diff>@@ -13,0 +14 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf></upd_diff>
</audit>
</history>
</entry>
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