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<ent_seq>2861235</ent_seq>
<k_ele>
<keb>派生音</keb>
</k_ele>
<r_ele>
<reb>はせいおん</reb>
</r_ele>
<sense>
<pos>&n;</pos>
<xref type="see" seq="2861234">幹音</xref>
<field>&music;</field>
<gloss>sharp or flat note</gloss>
<gloss>non-natural note</gloss>
</sense>
<info>
<audit time="2024-05-11 07:43:41" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_refs>GG5, Daijr
派生音	1019</upd_refs>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-05-11 23:29:28" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>I think GG5 is wrong. The kokugos define 派生音 as a note that is raised/lowered a semitone (or tone) above/below natural pitch. Accidentals are notes that deviate from the key signature. This includes natural notes. (e.g. if the key signature contains a C sharp, then a C natural would be an accidental.)
It seems there isn't equivalent term for this in English.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>daijr: 音楽で，幹音を半音ずつ一回または二回音高変化させた音。変化記号をつけて表示される。
https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/17469/is-there-a-term-for-non-natural-notes</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;accidental&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;sharpened or flatted note&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;non-natural note&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-05-12 07:38:54" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>Yes, it's the note modified by an accidental; not the accidental itself.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>Daijr too.
Discussions with my musician family members.</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="1607490"&gt;臨時記号&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -13,2 +14,3 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;sharpened or flatted note&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;non-natural note&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;raised or lowered note&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;sharpened or flattened note&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;note modified by an accidental&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-05-13 01:09:55" stat="A" unap="true">
<upd_uid>robin1354</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Robin Scott</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>This is still wrong. As I pointed out below, the natural sign is an accidental. 派生音 does not refer to natural notes.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://yulala.org/theory/wb.php
「派生音」とは、幹音以外の音のことで、ピアノの黒鍵の出す音。</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -12 +11,0 @@
-&lt;xref type="see" seq="1607490"&gt;臨時記号&lt;/xref&gt;
@@ -14,3 +13,2 @@
-&lt;gloss&gt;raised or lowered note&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;sharpened or flattened note&lt;/gloss&gt;
-&lt;gloss&gt;note modified by an accidental&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;sharp or flat note&lt;/gloss&gt;
+&lt;gloss&gt;non-natural note&lt;/gloss&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
<audit time="2024-05-14 01:15:30" stat="A">
<upd_uid>jwb</upd_uid>
<upd_name>Jim Breen</upd_name>
<upd_email>...address hidden...</upd_email>
<upd_detl>OK. I was assuming that, say, the G#, C#, etc. in the key of A major were  幹音, but it seems they are 派生音
I'm wondering if a movement in A major modulated into A minor and used a natural accidental to bring the C# back to C natural, whether that C would be 幹音 or 派生音. I must ask a Japanese musician.</upd_detl>
<upd_refs>https://www.senzoku-online.jp/theory/classic/02/onmei-02.html - "シャープ、フラットの付いていない音を幹音（かんおん）といい、臨時記号（りんじきごう）や調号（ちょうごう）によって変化させられた音を派生音（はせいおん）といいます。"</upd_refs>
<upd_diff>@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+&lt;xref type="see" seq="2861234"&gt;幹音&lt;/xref&gt;</upd_diff>
</audit>
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</entry>