After a bit of agonizing, I've moved the newspaper names to enamdict.
They can be brought back if there's a change of heart.
The question was also raised about the name of a treaty. I feel these
are more like major events rather than proper names as such, and I'm
inclined to keep them in.
Jim
On 7 September 2013 23:49, Jim Breen <jimbreen@*********> wrote:
>>> I'll draft a policy based on where we've got to so far. More discussion please.
>
> OK, draft at:
> http://www.edrdg.org/wiki/index.php/Editorial_policy#Proper_Names
>
> Jim
>
> On 7 September 2013 11:49, Jim Breen <jimbreen@*********> wrote:
>> Thanks to Rene, Marcus and Francis for those comments. I think we're
>> agreeing on most points, and I'll start drafting a "Names Policy" based on
>> them.
>>
>> I'll comment on the others inline below.
>>
>>
>> On 6 September 2013 17:49, René Malenfant <rene_malenfant@***********>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2013-09-06, at 12:30 AM, Jim Breen <jimbreen@*********> wrote
>>>
>>> -names of major Japanese cities (perhaps a population threshold)
>>>
>>> I recommend setting the criterion either as being 'designated city':
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_designated_by_government_ordinance#List_of_designated_cities
>>> Perhaps also including 'core cities' if you are feeling generous:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_cities_of_Japan#List_of_core_cities
>>>
>>> Together with Tokyo, those should cover all the major Japanese city names
>>> anyone is likely to come across.
>>
>>
>> The "designated" cities along with the prefectural capitals looks like a
>> good
>> set. I checked the "core cities" batch and I feel adding them is a bit of
>> overkill.
>>
>>
>>>> States/provinces and their capitals:
>>
>>> I don't think it's necessary. The list is too expansive, unless we
>>> specifically limit it to states/provinces of English-speaking countries (it
>>> is a J-E dictionary after all).
>>
>>
>> Let's do it with English-speaking countries. Most US and Australian states
>> are there
>> already, along with some Canadian provinces. Wales and Scotland are there.
>>
>> -names of very important individuals (criteria?)
>>>
>>> Deities and other major religious figures or characters (e.g., Mohammad,
>>> Gautama, Virgin Mary), perhaps not from all religions but definitely from
>>> the Abrahamic faiths and Japanese religions. A select number of extremely
>>> important historical figures known by pretty much everyone worldwide
>>> (Gandhi, Einstein, Darwin, Confucius, Hitler, Shakespeare, Beethoven, etc.)
>>> by judgment. Perhaps the names of the current Japanese emperor, Japanese
>>> prime minister, U.S. president and other leaders of English-speaking (and/or
>>> G8) nations.
>>
>>
>> Good list, but I'm inclined to omit current political leaders. There are
>> certainly ones above which are
>> missing (Einstein, Hitler, etc.)
>>>
>>>
>>> -names currently in JMdict will not be removed unless they are
>>> obscure and/or inappropriate (e.g. ワシントンポスト can probably
>>> stay, but I'm not sure about ハンデルスブラット)
>>>
>>> I'd say that consistency of inclusion criteria should trump the
>>> grandfather clause.
>>
>>
>> This is where I agree with Francis. At the edge there are indeed appropriate
>> removals, e.g. I pushed 朝日新聞社 out but left 朝日新聞, but on the whole
>> the current ones are not causing problems. I think it's better to target a
>> policy
>> at future additions rather than at a cull, e.g. of newspapers names.
>>>
>>>
>>> -sets of related names currently in JMdict can be completed if
>>> they are incomplete (I'm thinking of the books of the Bible where
>>> there are a lot, but I'm not sure all are there.)
>>>
>>> Speaking of which, the criteria above omit other non-person, non-place
>>> proper nouns (e.g., company names, book names, trademarked). Thus far, the
>>> names of most religious texts have found their way into EDICT itself. I
>>> guess most others should be banished to ENAMDICT unless they're things that
>>> have found their way into English like 'Pokemon'.
>>
>>
>> As above. Part of my reluctance to cull/banish existing entries is that
>> Enamdict is huge and the quality of a lot of it is not great. The names
>> currently
>> in JMdict represent a sort-of-priority subset that I feel will get diluted
>> or
>> diminished if they are moved.
>>
>> I'll draft a policy based on where we've got to so far. More discussion
>> please.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Jim
>>
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>>
>> Jim Breen
>> Adjunct Snr Research Fellow, Japanese Studies Centre, Monash University
>
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> Jim Breen
> Adjunct Snr Research Fellow, Japanese Studies Centre, Monash University
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Jim Breen
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