Re: [iK] and [oK] and a note on [gikun]

["faumdano" <bkentel@*********>]

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

Brandon

--- In edict-jmdict@yahoogroups.com, Jim Breen <jimbreen@...> wrote:
>
> On 30 July 2010 01:28, Brandon Kentel <bkentel@...> wrote:
> >  How are these defined precisely? Is [oK] meant to be used for µì»úÂÎ
> > characters only, or characters outside the ¾ïÍÑ list too? What about
> > [iK]? Is it meant for readings that fall outside the ¾ïÍÑ approved list?
> 
> "iK" is intended for incorrect kanji, such as ÊÑ´¹¥ß¥¹, looks-almost-like,
> etc. We include them because people look them up, text contains them, etc.
> It's not associated with readings.
> 
> "oK" should usually only be used where there is an accepted "modern"
> kanji rendering, but also acceptable but no longer commonly used forms.
> Yes, µì»úÂÎ cases would typically score a "oK". It's really there as a
> warning not to use it as a matter of course. ¹çµ¤Æ»; ¹çÝæÆ»(oK) is
> an example of this.
> 
> > For instance, Âç¼­ÎÓ uses:
> >
> > ¢§     ¡á     ¾ïÍÑ´Á»úɽ¤Ë¤Ê¤¤´Á»ú
> > ¢¦     ¡á     ¾ïÍÑ´Á»úɽ¤Ë¤Ï¤¢¤ë´Á»ú¤À¤¬¸«½Ð¤·¤ËÁêÅö¤¹¤ëÆɤߡʲ»·±¡Ë¤¬É½
> > Æâ¤Ë¤Ï¤Ê¤¤´Á»ú
> >
> > and Âç¼­Àô uses:
> >
> > ¸«½Ð¤·¤ËÁêÅö¤¹¤ë´Á»ú¤Ë¤Ï¡¢¾ïÍÑ´Á»úɽ¤Ë¤Ê¤¤´Á»ú¤Ë¤Ï¡Ö¡ß¡×¡¢¾ïÍÑ´Á»ú²»·±É½
> > ¤Ë¤Ê¤¤Æɤߤξì¹ç¤Ë¤Ï¡Ö¢¦¡×¤ò´Á»ú¤ÎÁ°¤ËÉÕ¤·¤¿¡£
> 
> I don't think there's a need to flag non-¾ïÍÑ´Á»ú usage at the dictionary
> level; it's a moving target, and there are other ways to do it. Dictionary
> client software can, of course, address this (WWWJDIC uses
> different colours for non-¾ïÍÑ´Á»ú.)
> 
> > As for [gikun], many dictionaries seem to label ½Ï»ú·± that are on the
> > ¾ïÍÑ list differently than those that aren't. For instance:
> >
> > ¤ª¡¾¤¸¡Ì¤ò¤Â¡Í¡ÚÇ졾Éã¡¿½Ç¡¾Éã¡Û on the list
> > ¤¢¤­¡¾¤Ê¤¹¡Ú½©²Ø¡á»Ò¡Û not on the list
> 
> Again, for a digital dictionary I don't think this is necessary.
> (And we should be tagging ²Ø»Ò some way to indicate the ½Ï»ú·±.)
> 
> HTH
> 
> JIm
> 
> -- 
> Jim Breen
> Adjunct Snr Research Fellow, Clayton School of IT, Monash University
> Treasurer: Hawthorn Rowing Club, Japanese Studies Centre
> Graduate student: Language Technology Group, University of Melbourne
>