Re: [edict-jmdict] 'wiki' style (login enforced?) user/editor-guide

["Paul Blay" <blay.paul@**************>]

> >  For example 勉強 is a straight forward (vs) but what
> >  pos applies to an expression like 無駄にする that
> >  includes the する already?  (I'm sure that's been asked
> >  before).
>
> Well, you asked yesterday  8-)}

Technically I think I asked in the submission after posting in the
mailing list.

> Originally I made all the ...をverb, ...がverb, ...に verb entries
> just "exp". Then someone (you?) suggested adding the verb classification
> as it help rikai or something like that to identify the inflection. I
> have gone along with that, although a saying like 出る釘は打たれる
> is not really an ichidan verb, and "exp,v1" needs to be interpreted as
> "an expression containing a v1 verb". (It also means that WWWJDIC
> will produce a conjugation table for 出る釘は打たれる with things in it
> like 出る釘は打たれませんでしたり!)

出る釘は打たれる seems a likely candidate for "expressions that end
in verbs/adjectives that could conjugate in theory but don't in practice"

出る釘は打たれる 87 (less than 0.5%)
出る釘は打たれて 52
出る釘は打たれます 20,500

In contrast there are 'expressions' like 無駄にする/無駄にしない
that clearly do 'conjugate'.

無駄にする 638,000
無駄にして 842,000
無駄にします 11,200

I was the one (/idiot) who stuck a v1 on 出る釘は打たれる in
the first place but on reflection it's probably better off without.