Re: [edict-jmdict] vs duplication

["Dennis Schrader" <jpnthailand@*********>]

Hi Jim,

I appreciate your diligence. Would the following ALC help?
http://www2.alc.co.jp/ejr/index.php?word_in=%82%B3%82%C8%82%A2&word_in2=%82%A9%82%AB%82%AD%82%AF%82%B1&word_in3=PVawEWi72JXCKoa0Je

I too never recall hearing "ai shinai" (sounds weird), many other ways being
more common.

Regards,

Dennis

On 1/15/07, Jim Breen <Jim.Breen@infotech.monash.edu.au> wrote:
>   [Dennis Schrader (Re: [edict-jmdict] vs duplication) writes:]
> >> Please trust me here. I had a quite a number of fine girl friends (one
> of
> >> which I should have married) in Japan to know that ai takes a *regular*
> suru
> >> verb. In addition, with more than 5,000 hours on Japanese television
> and
> >> hence countless "renzoku drama", I can assure you that I have heard all
> the
> >> suru conjugates accordingly, when used with ai.
> >>
> >> Just one guy's opinion.
>
> I don't have a consolidated list of the "special" する verbs (does anyone?)
> Koujien labels them "サ変", but there's nothing special about that.
>
> One test I have applied is whether the plain negative is さない or しない.
> One can also test whether the potential is しえる or できる but that one
> is usually ignored. From my observations, most Japanese people ignore
> these distinctions and treat all する verbs the same.
>
> Looking at WWW usage of 愛する we see in Google hits:
>
> 愛さない 232,000
> 愛しない 15,400
> 愛しえる 207
> 愛できる 1,170
>
> 科さない 13,300
> 科しない 300
> 科しえる 1
> 科できる 597
>
> >From those 愛さない/愛しない counts, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that
> 愛する is a vs-s.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jim
>
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